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This is where we draw the line between Sunday knowledge and we live the word and principles of God practically, in every aspect of our life. Christ didn't save us to make us feel good, instead we are called to freedom, victory & abundance. On this podcast we are discipled, cultivated, challenged, refined and fruitful in every aspect of our lives! Goodbye passive Christianity, Hello to fruitful living! Welcome to a life REFINED
REFINE
God doesn't want your comfort, He wants your obedience.
Are you burying your talents in the ground because of fear? That's exactly what today's powerful conversation with Tamia Nontsikelelo, founder of Tol-Thema, a modest fashion brand, challenges us to examine.
Tamia's journey from accounting student to successful fashion entrepreneur didn't follow the expected path. While still in university, she felt an inexplicable divine urgency to pursue her purpose rather than waiting for the "right time" after graduation. Despite being labeled "delusional" by those around her, she began methodically building her brand through strategic content creation, growing to 10,000 followers in just three months without financial capital.
What sets Tamiya's approach apart is her refreshing perspective on preparation and competition. Rather than avoiding research for fear of discovering others already doing similar work, she extensively studied existing brands, taking inspiration from many to create something uniquely her own. "There's no such thing as competition, only confirmation," she shares, reframing the discovery of others in your field as proof of market viability rather than discouragement.
Perhaps most striking is Tamia's testimony about marriage as enablement rather than limitation. Her husband's covering and support—from providing initial capital to stepping in when contractors wouldn't take a young woman seriously—created the foundation for her to flourish. This powerful counter-narrative challenges the notion that family responsibilities must become "a graveyard for God-given dreams."
Whether you're hesitating to pursue your calling because of fear, resource limitations, or family responsibilities, this episode delivers the loving push you need to step into discomfort and steward your talents faithfully. The time for comfort is over. What dream has God placed within you that's waiting to be unleashed?
What's up, guys, and welcome to another episode of Refine. Today, as per usual, we are not here because we've got absolutely nothing to do, but I'm here to really make you uncomfortable. I'm here to shake things up. I'm here to make you uncomfortable because we don't have time anymore and it's time to really thrust yourself into whatever it is that God is calling you to do. How we want to start off today? You know I usually have a guest and then we welcome the guest.
Speaker 1:But before I welcome the guest, I want us to quickly look at a scripture in Matthew that speaks about the parable of the talents. This is the parable where this master has given these men different amounts of talents. To the one, he gave one. To another he gave two. To another he gave five, and those men had to come back at a later time and account and show the growth that they had.
Speaker 1:So what does this mean? There are things that God has put in your life and there's people who can do a lot of things, but sometimes you sit with the one because you're so comfortable or you're scared, and the one who didn't do anything with his talents, he dug it in the ground because he was scared. But today I want to shake up a person who's been sitting on things ideas, callings, gifts, skills, talent because you're scared and that's why we have our amazing guest today, tamia. I'm sure some of you already know her, but for those of you who don't always love for my guests to introduce themselves, so welcome Tamiya. Can you tell the guests who you are?
Speaker 2:Hello everybody, thank you so much for having me. My name is Tamiya Nuzilelo. I am the founder of Dolfema, which is a modest fashion brand that is just on a mission to crown queens and prove her modesty is everything.
Speaker 1:And she looks amazing. Because I'm like, yeah, she looks absolutely amazing. So all her details and all the details regarding her and her company and her brand are going to be in the description box below, so you'll find a direct link to that. So when I was sitting, I mean, I've been following her for a little while, but the Lord was like OK, we're going to reach out to her because everything we do is led and I believe that there are things that you can teach us to maximize what God has put within us. So I went down to your profile and I saw I saw personally before we had a minor chat we saved the good stuff for you guys.
Speaker 1:Don't worry that before 2024, you were sharing, like a normal person would probably want to share their lives on Instagram, right? You share your food, you share your outfit of the day. It looked normal, you know. And then there was a shift. In 2024, jan Feb, you just start posting about hey, this is what I'm doing. You see the logo of the brand and you're like ta-da, what led you to that point?
Speaker 2:Sure, tada, what led you to that point? Sure? Um, I always tell people I say delfemo for me was an act of faith, right? So, um, in 2023 let's go back to 2023 I was in varsity, uh, studying accounting science at viz. And oh, let's just say, let's just say I could just see that this is not gonna work out. Really, no, I was exhausted. I was so exhausted and drained by the degree, but even just so, I think even long before that, I just knew that I wanted freedom out of my life. Like I remember there was this one incidence that is so deep in my core memory. When I was younger, I was at the mall on a Tuesday and were people chilling in a restaurant. I was like why, why are they not at work? Why are they not at work? And ever since then, like that's just stuck with me, I wanted to be the kind of person that can go out to eat on a Tuesday.
Speaker 2:I don't want to be we can come to the podcast on a Wednesday, exactly. I didn't want to have to be like bound by it, like I mean what show up somewhere at a specific time, because I'm also someone who's just like I'm a free spirit and I figured that out pretty early. Uh, the initial plan was that I always knew I'd start something of my own. Um, but, um, I guess you know, you know, when you don't come from much like school is like it's. It's a really good starting ground and I knew that as well, that I worked really hard to get into this and when I was there, I worked really hard, but I just felt like, no, I'm not going to wait, I don't even want to get the job. Really, I didn't even want to get the job.
Speaker 2:While in varsity, I just started planning on. I felt this sense of urgency. I can't explain it, yeah, and I genuinely do believe that it was God, because even how I got the idea, even how just everything, just I don't want to say fell into place, but like I was so driven I don't know if you speak to anybody who I knew, who knew me in 2023, they would tell you that girl is delusional.
Speaker 1:And that's how it starts Delusional. You have to look a little crazy, yeah.
Speaker 2:I was looking a little crazy. I was reading all of these entrepreneurship books and all of that because I knew that. Okay, now I didn't want to wait as long as I thought I'd have to wait, and I learned that, okay, content creation was actually a way, a form of capital. Yeah, right, it's either you have money, you have IT skills or you have content. Yeah, right. And as soon as I read that same day, I went from you know those ghosts on Instagram? Yes, I had like, yes, I had those low-key accounts with one cute picture of a pasta dish. I saw that that was all. There was a cute picture of a pasta dish and the nicest picture I had in my entire gallery. That's all I had.
Speaker 2:As soon as I read that book, immediately the next day, I just went into my gallery and I posted all the cute pictures that I had never posted. And then the following day, I created my very first video Right, pictures that I had never posted. And then the following day, I created my very first video, right? Um, I think one thing that I think I'm blessed with urgency, okay. And one thing about me like I don't want to waste time once I've made up my mind, like I really I need to act, I need to do something. So as soon as I read that, I started.
Speaker 2:I started posting almost consistently and somehow I think that was in 2023, around February, march I remember telling my boyfriend I was like I'm gonna be an influencer and he laughed at me. I was like, oh, but he was like, no, babe, do your thing. And three months down the line I hit 10k followers on Instagram. Sure, just from posting and obviously because I was going to school and I didn't have much history, I was just showing basic. When I say basic, go to my page, the most basic outputs are literally just me getting ready to go to class and somehow that like yeah, I understood and learned how to just create content. And, mind you, even when I began then I always had the bigger picture I'm going to start a business and just figured out that the content is going to be a big part of the business. So I didn't wait for the capital. I just thought, let me do this one thing for sure I can start creating content.
Speaker 1:So that leads me into the next point. Every time you get into something, which is something that the Lord has been teaching me people often sit, like you said, you read books, or whatever the case may be, and get mentors. But there's something that we miss as children of God that the Lord is able to give you divine strategy, because for you to sit and think of how do I grow this thing Sometimes it's not about, I mean, reading books is great, get knowledge right and, in all your knowledge, get understanding. That's what the word says but there's also this divine strategy on how the Lord will lead you to do something. What did that look like? Because already you said, okay, yours was just to post, even before right, even before you had or launched the business. You're posting videos, so you're already accustomed to that. But what were some of the strategies you used that someone obviously could take to try and attempt in their business, you know, to grow it. What are some of the strategies that God gave you?
Speaker 2:I think it's like you said, like knowledge and research, like thank God for the Holy Spirit and thank God that he does guide right, who does guide right? But I think it's so important to understand that in the world that we live in, there's strategies right that have already been proven. There's people whose main life job is to share those things right. And I think what I worry a lot, especially in the Christian community, is that we sort of have this thing to say oh, the Lord will do it. The Lord will do it. And I don't want to underestimate or not say this, sana, I did my research. I think a lot of people, when they saw me start up, they thought, oh, she, they thought like, oh, she's so lucky, she's so blessed. Oh, like, um, she's, she's blowing up a highly favored. Oh, and like I am.
Speaker 2:That's the beautiful thing about like, being a christian. You know that you're backed by god. I think that's the courage and audaciousness that I had. Like I was backed by god, I would say it all the time. Like, like, I'm partner, they're partnering with the holy spirit. So I wasn't afraid to like, say bold things or do bold things. But like, I did my research, like, and I was so intentional about it, like I knew I wanted to start a head wrap company. I knew every single head wrap company on the internet really searched everything. I have searched everything searchable, found everything you could possibly find about head racks that existed online. I knew it. It was in a book. I could show you my notion from back in 2023. When I say I had everything to the T, I think I spent a good, probably like a year, and and why study them?
Speaker 1:why would you study that? Would you study to see what works? Would you study to see or to find the gap? What was your reason for studying that?
Speaker 2:I think, or research, all of the above that you just mentioned, the thing about, um, these best practices in everything, right, um, and you know, when you come up with an idea, you think it's new, you're like, oh, and then you start searching, you see, oh, there's things called turbans, yes, and you start searching and you see, okay, these head drops don't come in this specific kind of fabrics that do specific kind of things. Yeah, do you understand? Like, um, it's one thing to be inspired. In fact, when you're inspired by one person, right, it's called copying. Nobody liked that, it's not. It's one thing to be inspired. In fact, when you're inspired by one person, right, it's called copying. Nobody like that, it's not, it's not cute. But when you go and you're inspired by a whole bunch of people, it's research, and when you apply everything you take from them, in the end what you have is something very unique, sure, so, as I was doing my research and I saw all of these people had these different things and I took from each of them a little thing that I loved about whatever it is that they were doing, and when I put that together, I had something completely new. Sure, so I think you study them to learn, to be inspired right to, to, to even see maybe things that they're doing that are probably not working, to see connections. What do they all have in common?
Speaker 2:And another thing that I think discourages a lot of people is that you don't want to find people who are doing what you want to do. You don't want to find them. You feel, you feel like if you see them, you start thinking, oh, they're already doing it. Like that means there's no space for me, the market is crowded, yeah, yeah, you know. And you already start thinking. In fact, it discourages you, so you don't even want to go searching for people who are doing that, because you just have that. Yes, but like there's no such thing as competition, only confirmation. Right, and when you see people doing what you want to do and thriving at it, that should be like yes, yes, I mean, if she's doing it and she's doing it so well, that means like there's hope yeah, there's room, and there's room exactly.
Speaker 1:I think sometimes we like to think that it it must only be you exactly, it must only be you not understanding that the way. First of all, the world is massive, yeah, but also god has this unique print. Otherwise he wouldn't have had to make so many billions of human beings if he could execute everything he wanted in 10 people. Yeah, and I think that's what happens, that's what I've seen and experienced, that sometimes there's this competitiveness, especially within the social media thing. Yeah, you see people become really competitive. You see people no longer becoming stewards but wanting to own things as if it's theirs, instead of stewarding this thing that the Lord has put within them. And I think it's a beautiful thing, because I'm sure you're releasing someone from that thought and from that cage of, oh my goodness, maybe I shouldn't do it, because there are so many people you know who are already doing it. I'm like, no, go ahead and do it.
Speaker 1:I was having a conversation with someone last week and I'm like so what if people have been opening like studios or whatever? If there is something unique that God has put within you to do it, then do it. The mere fact that it's done by you it already, then it's already different. Yeah, you know, and I think that's the same. It's the same with podcasts. We've got 500, if in fact, they bore me. But yeah, I still have to do this because this you come to your own. This is, this is the assignment. Right, this is the assignment. I can't, I can't push it aside for comfort, my comfort and the comfort of others. It just has to be done. So you've journeyed now and you started this business dating. Yeah, you're now husband?
Speaker 2:yes, okay dating.
Speaker 1:You're now husband and it's I think it's also sometimes a little bit easier, you know, focusing on your own life and being on your hustle, but then now you're married, yeah, and you have a beautiful baby, yeah, and what did that transition look like? The reason why I'm asking is you'll find people who are married and are wives, and I understand that family dynamics are totally different and people have different mindsets which is very interesting as to how they feel that the household should be run and how they should partner, like how the role of their wives or whatever the case may be. But there are people who are already in the institution of marriage and they have to start something new. Yeah, and it's. Either this marriage becomes a graveyard for their god-given dreams and talents, um, or it allows them to grow.
Speaker 1:And I mean sometimes people say that marriage and kids are an obstacle. I've got kids. I can't do it, I don't have time. And what were some of the challenges that you faced, but also not only challenges what are the ways in which, what are the healthy conversations you had with your now husband to say this is what I want to do and this is how you can support me without still losing certain parts of you, know the role that you have to play as a wife and as a mom that's a loaded question, um, I think, first, it's so important to mention that, like my husband knew me, like even before we got married, like that's the key.
Speaker 2:That's the key he could tell, even though, like it wasn't your care, what are you doing?
Speaker 2:But like I think I, I'd like to believe I always had that in me.
Speaker 2:Yeah and um, even before I started the business, like I sat down with him like that's what I wanted to, and I'm sure we both didn't imagine it to blow up the way that it did.
Speaker 2:But like, I think, even from where I was still dating, like he gave me that space to actually, like he knew what he was getting into, this ambitious woman. Yeah and um, I think, I think, um, even what he did was back me, like I would have never had the courage to, instead of go look for a job, um, sit and say I'm gonna start a business with my degree, like I just had hope with my man. I had that bit of hope with you know, my man will take care of me for a little bit, for a while, and even just even, like the seed, the like small, like you said that I used to start the business, like he gave it to me, right like it's that kind of thing that, like, when you actually have a life partner, there's a reason why it's called a life partner, like they actually enable you, yeah, into your purpose.
Speaker 2:That's how it should be, which is why I think it's so important in a marriage to have different dynamics to it, that like, yes, we're romantic and it's cute, yeah, but like also have those conversations of like this is my purpose, yeah, I don't want to be like normal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I am gonna post on Instagram.
Speaker 2:If you want a girlfriend who's out there, then don't do it exactly so like I think it's very, very important to just like have, give that space that, okay, this is the kind of life that like I want to live and this is what I'm trying to build for myself, and I hope you're going to be okay with that, sure, and not only be okay, but I need you to have my back with that right, and I think he did that for me like I don't think I would have ever even just like with my confidence, like I think when I started dating my husband, like I was just a girl, you know, I was just a girl who was just, you know, a bit all over the place.
Speaker 2:And I think when I met him, like the reassurance and the love that I received and just like to him like I'm the bomb. I'm the bomb. It doesn't get better than this. And having someone have like see you in that light changes the way you move, yeah, it gives you like courage like never before. I can't even explain it and he backed me with all the big dreams that I had and like he understands that probably I'm not the most domestic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not the most domesticated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you did say she said something. I won't say it, but she did say yeah, I'm not the most domesticated, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a good wife will not look exactly as what you say anyone's doing, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. At some point in time you can't. Let's be honest, you can't do it all In the seasons of like super busyness. Like I said, I love to cook and throw down, but I'm not going to get back home at four and defrost the chicken, Ain't no way. So if you've got some noodles in the cupboard, everybody, do you want noodles with aromats? Do you want noodles with chili flakes, Do you?
Speaker 1:want some eggs on the side. It's kind of a thing because it's about understanding the season, yeah, and also understanding yes, I'll play my role, but there is this bigger picture. Yeah, that I would, you know, um, love for you to understand. And it's not disrespectful, and I think sometimes we find it. We, we hear some people saying, no, you, I'm the man and you're not respecting me. No, I respect you, I honor you, I love you.
Speaker 1:But there are certain women, like yourselves, and probably like those who've been sitting at home, who have all these talents to bring out and they're probably wondering oh, my goodness, how am I going to do it? Is this person going to make room for me? They have to ask. I think maybe it would just be having that conversation. It's generally what I have in the conversation to ask yeah, because I remember having I mean, I'm also degreed doing something totally short-lived.
Speaker 1:I mean, I learned a lot on that architectural degree. Yeah, I did, I learned a lot. Thank you so much. I learned, in fact, the principles of building and that's why I think it's great, because there's something that the Lord put within me when it comes to things like building. I'm attracted to building, the building process, the intricate details of it. But when time came in COVID and I was like, in fact, I knew it when I was interning Part of us, in fact, second year when we're interning and I went to an office I think I've mentioned the story before and you had to go and work at an office and I sat there and I could hear the cars outside, I could hear the birds outside, I could hear people. You were walking and I'm sitting in front of a screen and I'm like ain't no way, this is not me yeah, this is not me.
Speaker 1:I'm like so this is what I'm going to do every day of my life come in at eight, leave at five, be in front of a pc and let life pass me by. Yeah, lord, we need to have a discussion. Yeah, and again I had, and I have a husband who has known prior as getting married. So when I asked him and I'm like, okay, look, this job about to end. Yeah, but social media, yeah, is picking up. Yeah, um, can I not do the work thing, like the official work? Can we do this social media thing? Yeah, and he was like all right, cool. I was like, okay, cool, cool. And even now, in a season, or even in a season of transition, when we have serious things, because now there's kids involved, and I'm like it's another season of pivot, my good sir, what do you think? And he's like it's what I signed up for.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whatever you need, let's go, let's do it yeah and I'm just like oh, some people are brave eh listen.
Speaker 2:And another thing is once he says let's go, then you can't chicken out. After that you can't.
Speaker 1:It's a go. But the issue is that, also, when it comes to resources, how does that look like in the family In terms of how do you balance the resources right? Because, especially in the beginning, he helped you, yeah, he helped me, but I guess it's picked up to a point now where you're able to Definitely Say, here's my 10 rands, like lunch on me today we don't have to. Yeah, I'll buy the juicy, buy the groceries, but until that point, there are, there were obviously times, and there's things that happen in the business way. For example, you opened a new shop. What did that look like?
Speaker 2:yo, yeah, that was so hectic, that was so hectic. I thank god I was married, because the funny, the sad part about being a woman in business not only one, but a young woman in business like people undermine you so much, like they don't take you seriously and I was working with like contractors, like, and then suddenly they ghosting me, but then when I call my man to speak for me, then things get shaking in their boots.
Speaker 2:So I think my husband really held me down, like there was a sample, where I was literally just like I was just crying, I don't know why, I don't want to do anything, yeah, and like I just had no choice but to let him be a man because that's good. People would just take you seriously. Sure, clearly I'm too cute or I'm too much. You don't think there's a deadline? I'll say there's a deadline, but I think, when it comes to resources, unfortunately, not, fortunately.
Speaker 2:Fortunately, I am married to a very traditional kind of man he does not want my two cents to a very traditional kind of man like.
Speaker 2:He does not want my two cents, but like, but let's see, so it was, it was, it was really, I think, even in the beginning, especially the beginning, when I relied a lot on him because, um, um, like I said when I came out of varsity, like I needed the job, it was the point where, like everybody at home, just like girl, before I even got like the job right, there was that pressure at home.
Speaker 2:But then he was like just try right. Like he gave me that room, I think, like had he not given me the thing to say it's like don't worry, like I haven't to the point where I know it's okay, at least, like I won't, things won't get so bad, yeah, like he's going to have my back financially right. And I think, even when I was making big investments into the business because people think it's cute, they see you, they think it's cute, it doesn't matter, and there's a lot of money coming out to invest into, especially when it comes far, absolutely it's expensive. When growth comes fast, it's expensive, like good for a long time it comes fast, exactly, it's expensive, it's really expensive.
Speaker 2:Like you see all of this money coming in but then you actually get poured onto something else because, like you're growing something, and especially because I didn't have capital going in, right, like the business was sort of self-funded it has to fund itself and for a while I wasn't taking a salary even, like I was just pouring everything back into the business and I think without that backing for him, I probably wouldn't have been able to do that. Right, sure, and yeah, I think, I think, I think I think like it's good to have a man that has your back. So I think being married like it's not so much as like a disadvantage to say to like, now, what's that song? I'm sure that's a good one, I don't know that one but like marriage is not a prison. Marriage is not necessarily a prison.
Speaker 1:In fact, if you're married to the right person, it enables you, it enables you and I think, as you're speaking, I think one word that popped up was covering. Yeah, there's something, there's something amazing about what you spoke about, that even if you are the face of the brand, the leader, because you are leading something, you are working, you're a working woman, even in your power and in your strength, you still need that covering, and I think that's such a beautiful thing and it speaks of actually the order in general that the Lord has shown us.
Speaker 1:That Christ, being fully man but fully God, said I don't do anything that I do not see my father doing Right, because he yielded, he was led and he was covered, like you said, and backed by God. And not only are you backed by God, but you're also covered by your husband, and I think that is a principle that we really need, not to do things out of rebellion but, find partnership and in partnership you find covering, and when you are covered, my goodness, you will go far.
Speaker 1:One important thing you spoke about before we wrap up and I didn't even have this on the nose, but it's just something that popped up when you spoke about seeing the money, and it's going to be a lesson to me. I know you spoke about seeing the money and saying it's okay, I won't touch it for now. I'm going to pour back. We live in a time and in a society filled with instant gratification.
Speaker 1:We want to show you the Louis Vuitton bag now because I'm making it. We want to buy the car now. Yeah, we, we, we. We want to soothe the things within ourselves, to kind of make it feel like, okay, yeah, we did that. Um, how do you strengthen the muscle of self-discipline and not wanting that instant gratification so that you can build something even greater instead of eating your portion now?
Speaker 2:I think it comes a lot with being deeply lucid and you know the need for those things usually comes with a lack of, sometimes something else. Okay, maybe you know it's because that's what feels good, I guess, or that's what will give you the status that you need, sure, and at some point it feels necessary. Don't want to lie, like when you start showing up in certain rooms, like you kind of feel like why?
Speaker 1:why does my leg not have?
Speaker 2:the LV, you start to feel the pressure. But like I think, when you're deeply rooted, when you're able to have like yourself in your quiet time, what we want is like this Like you still feel okay, feel good, you feel enough and you understand where you're going, and like for you it's bigger than just let them see me Right, like it's bigger than just trying to keep up some kind of an appearance. You have to be deeply rooted. And when you're deeply rooted, like I feel inspired by things, like you, just like there's this vision, there's this thing that's just driving you. That just seems like so much bigger than anything else, right, and this understanding also think, um, I'm also very myself away.
Speaker 2:I do once buy myself something cute, but I quickly learned that like it doesn't even last and after a while it's not that cute anyway. So like I just now know that, like, okay, it would be cute, but I just know it does nothing much comes out of it. Now I now know that like I'll get it and like then what? Yeah, like it's not much sure for me, like if I have a closet full of really nice bags, like who's in within space, I don't have space, but essentially it's just knowing what, what, what, what you gain from that thing, and also knowing where you're trying to go and not needing to be gratified or to prove yourself or to look like you are doing certain things.
Speaker 1:What do the people around you look like? What kind of people do you have around you? Do you have a lot of friends? No, no, no.
Speaker 2:I have one good friend. I keep my circle really small. I'm very, very picky with people. Yeah, I think it's quality over quantity always all the time, and I'm the kind of person like I can get busy If you're busy doing things, if you're on a mission, if God has called you somewhere, like you shouldn't even have the time to have to have like a lot of friends, because, um, real friendships actually a lot of work. Um, real friendships require something for you from you. It's like it's not just finding cute and games, you're taking pictures, you're going out like relationships are actual, pouring into it, giving somebody space and learning and understanding them and showing up, and that's something, unfortunately, I don't have too much room for.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so instead of having a bunch of shallow relationships that are actually not relationships at all, I can just have one really good one that I can be fully committed to yeah, yeah, if you, if you don't, at at least, this is going to be something that's up there, but if you don't already have something in you where you see some of the places in your life that you have to fix, some of the places where you have to make adjustments in order to become, this is. This has got nothing to do with trying to prove anything to anyone.
Speaker 1:This, right now, is a matter of becoming and you have to make the sacrifices in order to become, you have to kill the flesh and say, okay, I can't get that shoe today, I'll get it some other time, if I even have to get it, I'll get it some other time, if I even have to get it. And understanding how important it is for you to not only have the seed or the talent, but to make sure that the soil is conducive, so those around you as well matter, and, more than anything, to be led by God to be covered well and, I think, to be mentored well. I think, whether you read books, you said, when you go to, or when you only have one person as an example, that's copying, but when you have a plethora of people, that you have looked at and that you admire.
Speaker 1:For me, that speaks of mentorship, because these people might not know you, but the fact that you're gathering from them means that it's so much more bigger than you trying to emulate this thing Exactly. It's you trying to become. So I really appreciate you giving people the tools to start and I think I don't know maybe the next best thing for you would actually be even mentorship, because you've walked and now others could. Maybe I'm not saying do it, but the Lord will lead you to so that they'll have someone you know who they can go to, and not necessarily like who's your supplier. No, we need the principles, because once you have the principles, you can replicate that in every area of your life. So, thank you so much for your time, for your wisdom, for the nuggets shared and, yeah, I really pray. Drop something in the comment below if you receive something. And, more than anything, don't forget to check out her store.
Speaker 1:Actually, I was like I should have gone to the store so that we can match. First and foremost, I have never, never, done the head covering thing Really, but maybe that will be my adventure. That's going to be my adventure, my vlog for the day on my phone when I actually go to the store and explore for myself and experience it, and that will be soon. That will be soon. So by the time you see me go to a store, you guys will see this video. But thank you so much for coming, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Till next time.
Speaker 2:Bye, thank you for your time. Thank you so much. Thank you.